NEET So I was thinking of getting a degree in Greek and Latin


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Since I dropped out of Wakefield CDS after sixth grade, I'm now in need of some remedial education about classical languages and civilization if I want to have a good foundation for understanding the roots of our own modern civilization and participate in writing the Latin, Greek, and/or Ancient Greek Wikipedias. Wakefield Country Day School - Wikipedia Latin Wikipedia - Wikipedia Greek Wikipedia - Wikipedia Wp/grc/Κυρία Δέλτος/ϝ - Wikimedia Incubator

Generally, if I want to continue my education, I would want to go back to GMU, since I already have credits there. GMU doesn't seem to really offer a very good program, though; there's a classical studies minor and a Latin minor but I already got my B.S. degree so it's a little late for that now. Modern and Classical Languages | Programs: Minor in Classical Studies Latin Minor < George Mason University It would appear that if one wants to get a foreign languages B.A., the only options available are to do a concentration in Arabic, Chinese, French, Korean, or Spanish, none of which particularly interest me at this point. Foreign Languages, BA < George Mason University

The most obvious course of action, then, is to go to Catholic University. It would seem that Catholics are one of the few segments of society that have much interest in classical language and civilization at this point; Wakefield, I think, consisted largely of Catholics and quasi-Catholics (e.g. Episcopalians) back in the old days, before their student body became dominated by Asian international students.

I could get a B.A. Classics (Greek and Latin) with a Classical Civilization minor. B.A. in Classics (Greek and Latin) Minors

But actually maybe I just wanna get the certificates, since I already have a bachelor's degree, and the certificates are considered postbac apparently. Latin (Certificate) Greek (Certificate) (Regrettably, I don't see a certificate in classical civilization.)

The only reason I might hesitate is that I hate the idea of having to commute all the way to DC just to go to school. Commuting to Fairfax is already kind of a stretch. Dang, I don't see any online programs in classical languages, either. Online Programs

I could of course just take classes, even at the local community college at the freshman and/or sophomore levels, without trying to get any kind of degree or certificate, but I'd rather get that piece of paper for the coolness factor / bragging rights.

Of course none of this I would anticipate is going to increase my income potential, but I've already kinda given up on that for the most part anyway.

Alternatively, if I don't find the prospect of spending a lot of time learning dead languages and editing niche language Wikipedias all that inspiring, I might just get lazy and go to the crawlspace, but I'm not sure I'm really capable of suicide, so that might not be an option. Suicide - "I've decided it's time to take on the psychiatric establishment" Suicide - Maybe I should hide in the crawlspace on my next suicide attempt

I've been carrying on a mostly long distance relationship with a chick from Alabama, and we've been discussing buying a farm down there, but I don't know if that's going to actually happen or if we'd be all that successful, given our limited resources, including lack of interested investors, and her poor credit rating (due to some unpaid medical bills from when she fell off a horse and broke her hip), although often there's a way to repair or rebuild one's credit. Currently she's about to start telecommuting at her $35K Release of Information specialist job; like most wage slaves who are doing okay in the corporate world, though, I think she might be slightly hesitant to try to start her own business, however small, even though like most horse owners she would like to have her own horse farm rather than board her horse on someone else's farm.

I could try to start some new career in some blue collar field, e.g. maybe be an electrician apprentice or something, but I see no reason to think I wouldn't encounter the same kinds of problems that prevented me from being a success at Sensor Concepts and Applications and many other companies. Regrettably, failure in the work world tends to also damage one's prospects for having a successful relationship and family in the long run, which is what tends to lead me back to terminal dehydration in the crawlspace as maybe the most viable/practical option.

I took some credits in French, but the language just kinda bores me at this point because the French weren't really all that great at building civilizations compared to the British, even though they did kick some British ass back in 1066. In terms of how the French are governing themselves now, they seem even more cucked than the British, because there's been Brexit but no Frexit. Frexit - Wikipedia

The Greeks and Romans left more of a lasting legacy, I'm thinking, while the French have just colonized some African and southeast Asian countries like Senegal and Vietnam, neither of which are really all that important in the big scheme, compared to, say, the British or Roman colonies. Plus modern religion doesn't really have a basis in French, while it does have a basis in Greek and Latin.

In a way, it's kinda good when languages die because then they don't become sullied by being used in corrupt modern civilization. Well, I guess the Greek and Latin civilizations probably became decadent too, but they're kinda idealized in our study of them, I think. Then again, so probably is French civilization in French class; they talk about French accomplishments like building a bunch of nuclear power stations and what was the fastest train in the world at one time. TGV - Wikipedia

It seems like there was something else I was gonna say, but I forget what it was. Oh yeah, I remember now. I was wondering what one would even take these days if one wanted to study French, having already taken all the freshman and sophomore level classes. Well, I see they have some classes on French culture and whatnot. Modern and Classical Languages | Courses and Syllabi

Oh yeah, I forgot about Quebec. But you know what they say -- Canada could have had it all: American industry, British Culture, and French Cuisine. Instead, they got: French Industry, American culture, and British cuisine.

I'm sure it would be fun to read, say, Balzac in the original French, but I honestly can't be arsed to gain that level of proficiency, and heck, I can't even really be arsed to read Balzac in the English translation, which probably isn't even that far from the French, given the similarities in the two languages.

If I wanted to learn a language so I could read literature in its original text, it might be Russian; but then again, there aren't even a lot of good Russian novelists other than Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. I guess Mises was right that the Russians are pretty intellectually sterile. Books / Digital Text
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I'd highly recommend against you pursuing any kind of degree due to 1. your psychological issuess 2. notoriety.

Trust me, you wouldn't get very far.


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but you could study it very cheap on or some other online resource
Yeah, but that doesn't have the same prestige. Anyway, here's the course lineup I have in mind:

Foreign Languages, BA from GMU

  • BA in Foreign Languages, Modern and Classical Languages
  • Foreign Languages, BA, Catalog
  • Concentrations in the major: 30-33 credit concentration
  • Written Communication: Fulfilled by ENGH 101
  • Oral Communication: Fulfilled by COMM 101
  • Quantitative Reasoning: Fulfilled by MATH 113
  • Information Technology and Computing: Fulfilled by CS 112
  • Arts: ARTH 311: Design of Cities
  • Global Understanding: Fulfilled by GOVT 132
  • Literature: Fulfilled by ENGL 204
  • Natural Science: Fulfilled by CHEM 211-212
  • Social and Behavioral Sciences: Fulfilled by ECON 103
  • Western Civilization/World History: Will be fulfilled by HIST 314
  • Written Communication: Fulfilled by ENGH 302
  • Writing intensive requirement: Will be fulfilled by FREN 309 and/or SPAN 370
  • Capstone-or-Synthesis: Fulfilled by ECON 309
  • Upper level requirement: 45 credits of upper-level courses (numbered 300 or above)
Additional electives

Greek courses, Catalog

French concentration

300-level electives

400-level electives

German Studies minor

Latin minor

Spanish minor

  • Electives:

Greek and Latin M.A. from Catholic University


  • GR 507: Intermediate Greek I
  • GR 508: Intermediate Greek II
  • GR 512: Advanced Grammar and Prose Style
  • GR 515: Greek Historiography
  • LAT 512: Advanced Grammar and Prose Style
  • LAT 515: Roman Historiography